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Conversation with Todd Hunter

Yesterday I had the wonderful opportunity to sit down with Todd Hunter over a cup of coffee. Todd is the former leader of the Vineyard Movement and is now part of an Anglican church planting order from Rwanda – he has quite an interesting path. =)

The main reason for our meeting was to talk about the new emerging movement among Christianity. In addition to starting new churches, Todd teaches a few classes about postmodernism and evangelism at George Fox and Fuller Theological Seminary. Seeing that he lives close by, I dropped him an email….

I don’t have time to recount everything that happened at our meeting, but I will toss out a few “jewels”.

  • Concerning Postmodernism

A lot of folks within the Faith are scared about the postmodern shift. They see people talking about “relative truth” vs “absolute truth” and get all mad – or they just close their eyes and whistle. [@more@]

However I think there is a better way to look at the shift. Instead of being “scarred” or “mad”, we should be looking at it like we would look at the culture in Latin America or Asia. The Postmodern worldview is just that – a new culture that is blooming right before our noses.

Are they “issues” with this new culture? Yes – but there are also “issues” with our old modern culture. Instead of focusing on the negative, we should be figuring out how to reach people living in this culture with the Gospel.

  • Who are affected by this culture shift?

At first, I thought the postmodern shift only affected folks in Generation X and above… yet, Todd pointed out that the main avenue of postmodernism is the media and arts. These avenues have help to spread the culture shift far and wide.

We now have Baby Boomers how are living their lives and making decisions based upon the worldview of this culture. As such, we need to learn how to identify this culture and act accordingly.

  • The Right Tool for the Job

I reading various books about the emerging church, I heard a lot about candles, crosses and paintings. It seemed that church was going from being a theater to an amusement park.

Todd brought out an interesting and very good point. When you have a job, you go into your workshop and grab the tool for that job. You don’t start with the tool and then create a job for it (unless it’s a new tool and you want to try it out…).

In the same way, we need not be tied down do one way of “doing church”.  I.E. A church in rural Idaho would look different then a church in intercity Seattle due to the different cultures therein.

As we hear about the emerging church, we need to remember that there are many different variations within that movement just as the “emerging movement” is one of several movements.

The Apocrypha – Why did we get rid of them?

I’ve been confused lately… why, after 1,500 years, did we all of a sudden decided to drop the inter-testamental books from the Bible? It doesn’t make sense… at least not to me…

I’m confused. Undecided

Here’s what I know so far:

  • The Christian Bible included the inter-testamental books up until the Protestant Reformation in the 1500’s.
  • Martin Luther was the first person to move the inter-testamental books from the Old Testament into a separate selection called the “Apocrypha”.
  • Protestant Bibles included them in a “Apocrypha” section until around the 1820’s, when they stop appearing.

So why did Martin Luther decided that the inter-testamental books where no longer valid? I mean, the church used them for over 1,500 hundred years!!! Shoot, some of the books were used by True Believers longer then the writing of Paul.[@more@]

One of the arguments about the validity of the Bible is that God has kept it around despite plans to destroy all copies. As such, if God allows the inter-testamental books to survive as part of the Bible for over 1,800 years, what makes the last 200 years so important that we can thrown the inter-testamental books away?

I guess I should mention that I’ve heard it said that when St. Jerome translated the Vulgate he used the Masoretic or Hebrew text of the OT instead of the Septuagint or Greek text. Apparently the Masoretic text did not have the inter-testamental books listed why the Septuagint did. Still, St. Jerome included the inter-testamental books in the Vulgate…

I don’t know…

I just think that it is very, very strange that why the rest of Christendom uses the inter-testamental books, we Protestant don’t.  Why is that?

Currently the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek, Georgian, etc), and Oriental Orthodox Churches (Coptic Orthodox, Syriac Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Eritrean Orthodox, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church and Armenian Apostolic churches) all use the inter-testamental books as part of their canon. In addition, while the Anglican Church does not recognize the Apocryphal books as canon, they do use them liturgically.