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A Response to Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller

I hope you all enjoyed our guest series by Rebecca Miller from Trinity International University – well, ‘enjoyed’ as much as one can considering the topic… 😕

As I mentioned at the beginning, I recognize that this is a touchy subject – I debated with myself for several weeks before posting it… Recent events within Evangelicalism (i.e. Rob Bell’s new book and the controversy surrounding it) spurred me to go ahead with the series as it seems that this topic is still on the metaphorical table within Christianity.

One of the craziest thing about the “Rob Bell/Love Win’s Controversy” is the shear amount of reactionary media buzz created a month before the book is released. This tells me that people – Believers – need to slow down and think through why they believe the way they do. This is one of the reason I love Rebecca’s paper – she takes you on a journey through the “interpretive lens” of both sides (traditional and annihilationism), ending with the conclusion that both are “biblical” and can be held by Bible believing Christians.

Rebecca also warns us – as does Steve S. in the comments – to be careful how much beyond the Scripture we take an issue or a doctrine. A lot of the time, God is calling us to let Him decide those matters instead of trying to figure everything out in our own human wisdom.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. (1 Corinthians 1:25)

As we end this series, I wanted to look at the issue from an enacted inaugurated eschatology viewpoint – seeing how we are a people called to live between the Ages. Specifically, I want to look how the Gospels use the words “eternal life” and “eternal punishment” (touched on by Rebecca in Part 3).

“Eternal Life” and “Eternal Punishment”

The phrase “eternal life” is often used in the same context as the “Kingdom of God” or “Kingdom of Heaven” – which can be defined as God’s rule and reign.  In that context, the phrase to me means more then simply ‘living forever’ (whether in heaven or hell). Instead, it means that God is releasing the life of the Age to Come into this Age (i.e. life from eternity).

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Guest Series: Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller (Part 4 of 4)

We are blessed to have Rebecca Miller, Head of Reference & Instruction at Trinity International University’s Rolfing Library and a graduate student in Christian Thought: Christianity and Contemporary Culture at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, as our guest writer this week. Specially, we are looking at her recent paper on Annihilationism (the view that unbelievers simply cease to exist).

Following the publication of Rebecca’s paper, I will post some of my thoughts (which won’t be quite as eloquent) on the issue. Hopefully you all will join us in conversation as we discuss is important but controversial topic.

If you just joined us, you can find the previous posts here.

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Conclusion

After looking at background issues, we discussed theological and biblical arguments for annihilationism. Overall, the annihilationists can make a reasoned argument for their position from theological arguments and Scriptures. Their position does not need to be thought of as a direct contradiction of Scripture, or a weakening of Biblical authority. Rather, they employ a different method of interpreting crucial passages. Their position can be logically sustained without denying Scripture.

Nevertheless, in comparing the interpretations of the relevant passages, the traditionalist perspective seems stronger. It takes the passages more for their straightforward meaning, how they would be interpreted by someone just reading them, and closer to how the original audience would have understood them. The annihilationist interpretations make sense, but only when you are using that perspective as an interpretive lens. It appears that the annihilationists first took their position based on theological or emotional objections to the traditional view, and then they turned to Scripture to support it. Although they did a good job with interpretation, it is not the best interpretation, and all things being equal we should choose the best interpretation.

Yet it would also be a mistake to condemn annihilationists as misinterpreting Scripture, or to say that they are unbiblical or not Christians, as has been suggested. The afterlife is something that we are given a hazy picture of in Scripture. It is likely to be much different than what we picture or expect. We should thus not hold too dogmatically to any one position. Some of the combatants even point this out. Stott says he holds the annihilationist position tentatively, but that it should “at least be accepted as a legitimate, biblically founded alternative.” Carson says the actual Hell is likely much different from the medieval images we have of it.  Grenz says that “the difficulty between the two positions arises from attempts to pinpoint with too much detail the eternal situation of the lost,” and that we should take seriously the annihilationist concerns.  We should try and get as close to an accurate picture of the afterlife as the Bible gives us, but not go beyond its limits.

Note from Ardell:

While today marks the final piece of our publication of Rebecca Miller’s paper on Annihilationism, I hope you will return tomorrow for some of my thoughts on the issue. 🙂

Guest Series: Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller (Part 3 of 4)

We are blessed to have Rebecca Miller, Head of Reference & Instruction at Trinity International University’s Rolfing Library and a graduate student in Christian Thought: Christianity and Contemporary Culture at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, as our guest writer this week. Specially, we are looking at her recent paper on Annihilationism (the view that unbelievers simply cease to exist).

Following the publication of Rebecca’s paper, I will post some of my thoughts (which won’t be quite as eloquent) on the issue. Hopefully you all will join us in conversation as we discuss is important but controversial topic.

If you just joined us, you can find the previous posts here.

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Biblical Interpretation

Although the motivation for annihilationism may rest on some of these troubling theological issues, both sides of the debate would say their main argument rests on interpretation of Scripture. Both would say that Scripture (properly interpreted) supports their views. Next we will examine how each side interprets relevant passages on Hell.

Passages on destruction

The primary passages used in the defense of annihilationism are those that speak of the destruction of the wicked. Stott particularly points to Matthew 10:28 which says “Be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.” He says this means that both the bodies and souls of the impenitent will be annihilated in Hell.  He says if they aren’t destroyed, then they are in the “perpetually inconclusive process of perishing,” which would be an odd situation, to never arrive at the culmination of the destruction process.  Pinnock supports this by pointing to passages that speak of sinners not lasting, such as Psalm 37, which compares them to “grass that will soon wither.”

The response of the traditionalists is to point out that destruction can mean different things in the Bible; it doesn’t necessarily mean annihilation. Carson points out that the same Greek word for destruction is also used for the widow’s lost coin (Luke 15), the wineskin that bursts (Matt. 9:15), and the ointment that was poured on Jesus (Matt. 26:8). In each of these cases, the item doesn’t cease to exist, rather it ceases to be useful and fulfill its function.  Thus the destruction of the sinner can mean something different than annihilation. It can also mean that the sinner cannot fulfill the purpose God intended for him as a true human. I believe this interpretation better fits the feel of many of the passages on destruction, which seem to imply destruction as a state of being rather than non-being.

Hell as a consuming fire

Related to the idea of destruction are passages that speak of Hell as fire. The annihilationists say such an idea also implies destruction, since normally a human cannot continue living long in a fire.  As Stott says, “The main function of fire is not to cause pain, but to secure destruction, as all the world’s incinerators bear witness.” Hughes points to Augustine’s attempts to explain how humans could physically continue existing in a fire as examples of how absurd such an endeavor is.

In response, many of those who currently hold a traditional view would say that the fire is symbolic, not literal. It represents the pain the impenitent experience in Hell – perhaps physical, and likely emotional pain. Pinnock complains of traditionalists who say the fire is metaphorical, saying that they are straying from a literal interpretation of Scripture (which is ironic, since that is the accusation often leveled against annihilationists). He claims they are “taking the Hell out of Hell.”  However, traditionalists would say it’s impossible to not interpret it metaphorically, since mutually exclusive imagery is used for Hell – Hell is also described as eternal darkness (Jude 1:6) and with worms that eternally feed on humans (Mark 9:48). In our physical world, fire, worms and darkness don’t normally co-exist. Such reasoning leads to absurdity.

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Guest Series: Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller (Part 2 of 4

We are blessed to have Rebecca Miller, Head of Reference & Instruction at Trinity International University’s Rolfing Library and a graduate student in Christian Thought: Christianity and Contemporary Culture at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, as our guest writer this week. Specially, we are looking at her recent paper on Annihilationism (the view that unbelievers simply cease to exist).

Following the publication of Rebecca’s paper, I will post some of my thoughts (which won’t be quite as eloquent) on the issue. Hopefully you all will join us in conversation as we discuss is important but controversial topic.

If you just joined us, you can find the previous posts here.

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Theological Arguments

Man is not essentially immortal.

A major annihilationist argument is that the traditional view of Hell was not based on the Bible, but rather on Greek thought, particularly Platonism. They say that the idea of the soul being inherently immortal is a Greek idea.    Annihilationists would say that only God is immortal, and that humans can only continue to exist after death if they are given his gift of eternal life. Emmanuel Petavel, a 19th century annihilationist, even says that it would be claiming we are gods to say we have inherent immortality.

Annihilationists also connect inherent immortality to the dualistic idea that the soul can exist without the body, so that even when the body dies, the soul will continue to live eternally. Those who argue for a more unified view of humanity say that once the body dies the soul should also cease to exist unless God chooses to provide a new body. Some traditionalists such as Wayne Grudem respond that the impenitent are given bodies for Hell.  Carson argues that there are hints in the Bible of a dualistic perspective. He points to 1 Corinthians 12:2 where Paul says that he was caught up to heaven and was not sure whether it was in the body or not. This would imply he believed that the soul could exist apart from the body.

It is important to remember that just because an idea could be linked to Plato does not mean it’s wrong. We need to see whether the Bible also supports it or not.  Some traditionalists would actually agree with conditional immortality, that we are not essentially immortal. However, they would say that this does not necessarily disprove the traditional view.

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Guest Series: Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller (Part 1 of 4)

There are few topics within Christianity that are more controversial then what one believes about the ‘afterlife’ of those who choose not to follow Jesus. Because it is a topic full of emotions, pain, and, as we will soon see, without a clear answer most Jesus followers tend to stay away from the topic altogether, focusing more on the love and salvation side of the Cross. This, in my opinion, means that we SHOULD talk about it as there is nothing worse then stuffing something away in a back corner and letting it get moldy.

Accordingly, I have requested and received permission from my sister-in-law Rebecca Miller, Head of Reference & Instruction at Trinity International University’s Rolfing Library and a graduate student in Christian Thought: Christianity and Contemporary Culture at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, to publish her recent paper on Annihilationism (the view that unbelievers simply cease to exist).

While I don’t agree with everything Rebecca says, I love the way she handles the issue within her paper. Starting from the very beginning, she takes the reader on a journey through the background of the different views of hell into the theological arguments for and against Annihilationsim. Finally, near the end, she leads one through the myriad of biblical interpretation on the issue before coming to a Christ-centered conclusion.

Following the publication of Rebecca’s paper, I will post some of my thoughts (which won’t be quite as eloquent) on the issue. Hopefully you all will join us in conversation as we discuss is important but controversial topic.

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Annihilationism by Rebecca Miller

What will happen to us after we die is an issue that has (and should have) deep intrinsic interest for us as humans. It can be an issue laden with emotions. One of the most controversial issues about the afterlife is that of Hell. Particularly in our modern times, many find the traditional view of an everlasting Hell both gruesome and ungodly. Clark Pinnock, a major proponent of annihilationism, asks, “How can Christians possibly project a deity of such cruelty and vindictiveness whose ways include inflicting everlasting torture upon his creatures, however sinful they may have been? Surely a God who would do such a thing is more nearly like Satan than like God.”

In the face of such objections, a view called annihilationism has recently gained traction among some evangelicals. Annihilationism is the view that the impenitent will suffer annihilation in the world to come, rather than suffering eternally in Hell. This paper will describe and assess the validity of this view. We will begin with a background section, which will provide definitions of key terms, a history of the view, and a discussion of hermeneutical issues. Next we will examine the major theological arguments for annihilationism. Then we will look at relevant Bible passages and how each side interprets them. Finally, we will conclude with an assessment of which side has the stronger view.

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Thoughts on Hell

coffee cupI was having coffee with a friend last week when they mentioned that they just finished a book about different views on hell. Intrigued, we talked a bit about the three main ways that Christians see view hell as mentioned in the Bible. Ever since then, the concept of hell has been on my mind…. And as a result, this blog post was written. 😕

Three Main Views

It seems that within Protestantism, there are three main views on hell – or the end destination of those who choose not to follow the Living Creator God, relieved through Jesus Christ.

1) Literal View

I would guess that this is the most common view as it is the one I hear the most about. In a nutshell, proponents say that hell is a real place, where those who rejected God’s gift of grace are tormented by fire and darkness for all of eternity.

Thoughts:

This view would seem to assume that humans are in essence immortal – in that they can continue for eternity without God. However, if God is the sustainer of all life (Heb 1:3), then how can anything – human or not – continue to exist outside His presence….. noting, of course, that hell, by its very definition, is outside God presence… Continue reading Thoughts on Hell

Talking to the Dead

Yesterday morning on the radio there was an interview with a medium that was getting ready to host a meeting in town. It was interesting to listen to as well as very sad…. Frown

The interview started off with the medium sharing about how she first started talking and seeing the dead when she three years old. At first she was scared – as anyone would be – but then she grew used to the concept and embraced it.

One of the more interesting parts of the interview was when one of the DJs asked her how she talks to the dead during her meetings (which is being held in one of the biggest arena in town). She replied stating that she doesn't have a plan or an agenda – she just gets up there and waits for the spirits to talk to her.

From there, she tries to get detailed information from the dead person so that she can connect them up with their living family member in the audience. One time she said that saw a donkey standing the stage – when she mentioned that, one person out of the crowd stood up and claimed it…..

Does any of this sound familiar? [@more@]

It did to me.

You see, this lady was basically following the prophetic/healing model used by the Church: ask God what He is doing, wait for an answer and then say what you hear or see…

Sigh…. my heart is saddened at this….. This lady is leading a ton of people a stray into the forces of evil.

Yeah – I honestly believe that this medium talks to spirits. It is very Biblical. Shoot, King Saul hunted one up when he needed to talk to Samuel – granted it didn't help him any as it was a direct violation of God's law….

I don't know what else to say… I just pray that God will help the church be the church in this Valley as we need Him.

Give us eyes to see, ears to hear, and the strength to walk it out.

Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright

This has been the toughest books I have read over the past year. Tough – not because of the reading level – but tough because the content forces you to rethink and test what you have been taught about death, heaven, and live beyond the grave.

I first picked up this book a year ago at the recommendation of a good friend and pastor. However, it quickly got shelved as I was busy reading researching other topics.

Then a few months ago I begin to question the phrase “eternal life” and the concept of living forever. Looking around I noticed this book sitting on my shelf unread… talk about a God thing!

As I started reading Surprised by Hope, I quickly realized how influenced I was by popular culture and misconceptions within the church. For example:

  • Some folks believe that when we die our spirits will merge into God’s Spirit for eternity (This was the view that I was leaning towards before hand as it seemed good to give up this individual body and mind and join with the Holy One…)
  • Others believe that when they die, the soul of the Believer will leave this moral world and live forever with their Heavenly Father (I would agree with NT Wright in that this is the view held by the majority of Christians – and, yes, this is under the “misconceptions” selection!)[@more@]

After tearing down the misconceptions of the church, NT Wright dives into the orthodox and Biblical view of death, life afterwards and how that affects the church today. It is hard to fully explain all that Wright talks about within this short blog post – considering it fills several hundred pages of a book – however, I will mention a few items that really hit me hard.

  • Death

Over the years I had begin to treat ‘death’ as a friend. I mean, here we are “trapped” in this moral body in an evil age looking forward to the time when we will see God face to face. If all that separates us is death – then why not die sooner versus later?

I honestly asked that question more then once in high school. The answer that I came up with was that we, as believers, needed to stay on “earth” so that we could “rescue” others from hell. That, and I really love a good Reuben sandwich or a nice gravy covered chicken fried steak!!!

Yet, in Corinthians 15:26 Paul calls death the “last enemy to be destroyed” by Jesus Christ. If death is Jesus’ enemy, then it came NOT be the believers’ friend!!!

So what do we make of “death”?

The orthodox and Biblical view follows that of Paul in that death is our enemy and it will be, and has been, conquered. Christians will be physically and bodily resurrected in the Age To Come. We will NOT stay “dead”. We will be brought back to life on the renewed earth to live with God Almighty.

Wow… think about that for a moment. If that statement is true – if we are going to be physically and bodily resurrected – then that changes a LOT of stuff here and now!

  • Heaven

When we say that a believer has gone to heaven, what does that mean? Does that mean little white clouds and harps? Or perhaps to refers to the souls of man dwelling with a spiritual God in a non-physical location…

I would guess that the majority of Believers would lean towards the last comment. That was my view for many years and it is the one propagated by popular culture outside and within the church.  

Yet, as NT Wright brings up, in Revelation the Apostle John says that heaven was coming to earth – not that “earth” or its people were going to heaven.

This goes right alone with the previous selection about death. If we, as Christians, are going to be physically and bodily resurrected – then we will have to have a physical world in which to live. This is the new earth – or the redeemed earth that has been purged of sin and evil.

This is the dream and focus of the prophets – a time when God will rule all the people and nations of the world; a time when He will physically dwell among His People.

  • Kingdom of God

Towards to end of the book, NT Wright shifts gears a bit and talks about how the orthodox and Biblical view of death, heaven and the resurrection affects the lives of Christian Believers today in this world and time.  

One of the biggest points he makes is that God’s rule and reign is here today, right now. It broke into this present and evil age through the person of Jesus Christ.

Remember my comment in the death section about the “point” of life? Bring as many folks to heaven with you before you die? Well, the more I reflect on the Kingdom message of Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul and many others, the more I realize that that is NOT the point of this life.

The bigger plan of God is to redeem this world and all that within it – the people, animals and physical landscape. To that end, we are to live under His rule and reign – helping to transform all that we touch. Note that we – the church – do not build the “Kingdom of God”; nor are we the “kingdom”.  

We are co-workers with Jesus in His Kingdom – which is both here today and not yet. We are to a) introduce people to Christ, b) help them move from the rule of darkness into the Rule of Light, c) fight against injustice, and d) remember that this physical world is not evil, but simply corruptive and due for a resurrection.


Hmm…I might have caused more questions then answers… But that is alright cause there is a book that you can read that talks more about all these subjects in a ton more detail.

Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church
by N.T. Wright is a tough and challenging book – but one that I think should be read Believers around the world.